並前往https://chartable.com/podcasts/nu-zi-jian-xin-shi/episodes/88531500-ep82jian-shen-jiang-tang-jie-he-ke-xue-yu-xin-li-xue-de-jian-shen-jian-zhong-xin-guan-dian-fu-jian-ke-yi-shi-drshi-kao-te-de-jian-shen-xiao-jiao-shi